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explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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Tim hello hello who is speaking to us hi

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Tim I I think that there's a message

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coming through

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from the other side eenie meenie chili

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beanie the spirits are about to speak

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yes yes is that you John how are you

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feeling that now that you have moved

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over John hmm

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excellent excellent that's good to hear

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so we're hoping you'll be happy with the

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show tonight as it's dedicated to your

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valuable research in UFOs the Mothman

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and the paranormal yes yes we will pass

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the word on to your many fans and we

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hope that you can carry on a lengthy

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conversation with us in the future

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Tim the voice is getting more distance

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so perhaps we should finish up here at

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the EVP lab for the evening and join our

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guests in the KC or our studios ah good

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idea excellent idea Godspeed John you

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know Godspeed you Tim how are you out

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there in Jasper Indiana Jasper Indiana

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where the corn grows so high in Jasper

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Indiana didn't quite grow as high this

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year you know yeah well you know we have

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we had such a wet spring here that the

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armours had a had a late late very late

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planting you know they used to say that

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the corn would be knee-high by the

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fourth of July you know nowadays with

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modern agriculture it's usually more

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than forehead high by the fourth of July

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so but but it's beautiful beautiful

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evening here in Jasper and I hope it's

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the same there in the your studios in

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Manhattan well you you mean you're not

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able to make all those corncob pipes

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we're gonna stuff with the the weed and

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sell the Wildwood weed you saying yeah

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well you know Indiana's gonna be one of

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the last places in the country to to

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make anything like that legal but you

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know Illinois which is just really

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across the border not too far from where

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I live I mean it's it's being made legal

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right now as we speak so I'm sure

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there'll be a lot of people from Indiana

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you know making their their weekly trips

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to Illinois corncob pipes and all aye

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aye one of the few jobs I ever had in

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life when I was a kid was working in a a

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tobacco store and people actually still

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bought up corncob pipes I mean I I think

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something like that and I understand

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they were they were pretty good smokers

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and if you quit smoking you could always

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eat the damn thing I suppose but I never

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knew that that was the thing you know I

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enough about the corn cobs already kinda

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knobs for cops here this the same thing

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but you know I feel particularly close

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to the subject at and and I mean damn

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close Tim because our guest tonight we

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had a mutual friend in the lake John

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Akil who of course was the author of the

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Mothman Prophecies among many other

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books and that book was made into a

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motion picture starring Richard Gere

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of course the the story of Mothman is a

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legend and so is the legacy of John keel

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but what makes this very close to me is

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right outside my window and I mean

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within ten feet if there are the remains

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of the building where the 14 Society

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held their meetings John keel was the

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organizer and president of the group and

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last seven years it has been a vacant

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lot I was here when they torn down the

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building and I almost the weep as I

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could see papers flying in all direction

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and I know that there was some secret

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conspiracy notes among the the flow of

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debris and so just within the last week

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of the construction there there you go

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up one is sixty-five floors that will be

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a hotel the one across the street is the

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six floors I feel suffocated I am

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claustrophobic but anyway let us get on

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with the show this evening introduced

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formally our guests for the evening why

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it would be my pleasure Tim well and

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very happy to have this is a return

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visit to our for our guests it rains

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always happy to talk to Brent known him

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for a number of years now and I know Tim

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you've known him even longer but now

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brett has been deeply immersed in the

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now since 1985 he has edited alternative

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perceptions magazine right now its

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website is AP magazine info which

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bulletins called para UFO G forum and

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magazine of about 68 pages I think that

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favored it still still remains the same

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I do not see why he should not be

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subscribe you know selling it for a

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nominal or fee instead of giving it away

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but boy if you're going to get a

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publication and you read it outside of

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the our own conspiracy Journal that

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would be the magazine it is full of

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great information and right you could

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send me that $20 in the mail or say I

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think I know I know I still have some of

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the original print editions of

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alternative perception in my vast

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library somewhere so now in 2001 the AP

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magazine moved to the Internet where it

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comes out on the first of each month the

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current October edition is issue number

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259 and contains an interview with Dale

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Graff the man who coined the term

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Stargate for the military remote viewing

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operation along with a variety of other

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assorted other anomalous matters now

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break doubts today that he would have

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remained in the UFO field all these

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years if he hadn't come across the

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writings and ideas of John keel and come

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to feel so strongly that the Cillian

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pursuit was an important one now Brett

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is the author of the books visitors from

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hidden realms on the edge of reality and

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his latest John a keel the man the myth

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and the ongoing mystery so Brent thanks

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for being with us tonight on exploring

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the bizarre thank you Tim and Tim this

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is a this is a pleasure indeed and I

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should point out that John a keel the

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man the myth and the ongoing mysteries

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experiences that I've had in a long time

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at the same time without being highbrow

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or or boring in fact brent has a way of

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sharing information like few others in

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the field do in fact just to put in a

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plug here for one of his books on the

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mastering of time and space we published

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that several years ago and it is a

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wonderful exploration into the field of

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the paranormal with interviews of some

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of the most incredible people on the on

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the planet in fact I say that in all the

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serious and there's especially if you're

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unknown and the bizarre like we are here

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at exploring the bizarre it's a

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fantastic read but we're gonna let keep

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to at John keel tonight and some of the

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people that were close to to John and

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some of his ideas which were at the

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start of a John's writing career at

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considered off track or offbeat or very

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controversial they weren't certainly

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anything remotely connected with the

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nuts and bolts ET hypothesis but brent

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beginning first of all how under what

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circumstances did you first the either

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have any exchange with him well you know

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a maniac so I fit right in but anyway my

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whole idea I read frankly was flying

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sauce was serious business and and that

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perspective right there so that was that

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extraterrestrial visitors and then you

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paranormal whatever and I found there

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corresponding with Kiel back in October

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1969 so I was still a teenager and I

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remember I was trying to you know you

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know dot all my eyes and cross all my

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T's because I remembered how John keel

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complained in his articles about those

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teenage UFO buffs and lo ladies and and

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tennis shoes you know how aggravating

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that they could be so I always tried to

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ride him real mature sounding letters

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brisk correspondence there from 69 until

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and then I you know got got drafted into

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the military and we kind of lost touch

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Kiel in person I just you know got

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immersed in his writings and we we had

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some exchange correspondence I even

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wrote him years later when he was on the

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computer some and which he didn't like

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the computer at all and on the telephone

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and so anyway that was that was how that

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evolved I just like where he was coming

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from I found out you know that yeah I

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realized that this was far more engaging

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and covered a whole lot more territory

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than I had previously expected well I

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think that we should point out that your

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your book you're very well-informed on

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ancilla perhaps more so than anybody

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because you have actually gone out of

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your way to track down his his personal

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inner circle of cronies as well as those

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who did meet him personally and had a

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great deal of exchange of information

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with him from which I I applaud you to

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say the the least because you have done

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your homework okay so now in the

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beginning were you were you into the

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were you a need tha follower yeah in the

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beginning I I was I figured it was that

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or else there was nothing to it at all

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I discovered oh this this is far more

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complicated and perplexing sounding than

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intend to to get into you know the the

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paranormal and the cryptids and and all

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of that and of course keel was a 14 you

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know kind of the tradition of charles

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fort just following all manner of

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unexplained occurrences and finding the

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linkages are the possible linkages

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between these things and and so i was

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quite intrigued i mean it it you know it

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touched upon there's so many intriguing

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facets and it made me wonder about you

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know well we're delving into like spirit

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world here and such and what does what

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does this tell us about who we are and

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how we relate to the beyond the

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afterlife or whatever because qu'il was

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a lifelong atheist but yet he delved

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into things that were very very

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paranormal you know angels ghosts demons

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and all that and when you say an atheist

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i might disagree with you because he

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thought that a lot of this was involved

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with demonology and how can you be a D a

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a demonologist there believe in demons

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if you're you got to believe in

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something I think in fact if you check

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the IRS code if you want to start a

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church the only thing that the IRS

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requires is that you believe in a

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supernatural power well that could be

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anything I mean just the just about I

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know people that have started some

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pretty crazy ass religions you know over

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the over the years some of which may

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have had a positive you know the tone to

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them and certainly some like a Heaven's

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Gate which had a very negative effect on

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society now you know I met John of

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course I don't know dozens of times he

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he lived in the neighborhood just about

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maybe four blocks away we would go to

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the movies we'd have lunch together

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every once in awhile and of course like

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I say the meetings were held next door

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he always seemed to have a great

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conflict with people in the UFO field he

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at least openly advocated the idea of

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course that some of these people were

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really on the on the fringe but they

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would take up I would disagree with that

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because certainly a lot of people

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thought that he'll was was on the fringe

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you know himself also too you know ba14

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charles fort was often very sarcastic in

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his writing and I felt myself after

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spending many an evening with qu'il that

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you know some of the things perhaps you

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had to take with a little bit a grain of

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salt now I'm not I'm not referring to

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his investigations and all because they

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certainly were were top-notch but I I

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guess he's known mainly for his

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investigation into the Mothman phenomena

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well that was he was planning to begin

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to go full-time in his investigations I

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think over a three-year period after he

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had had a book that sold really well and

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he went to the Pentagon to find out what

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he could about the official position on

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UFOs he was planned to write that

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playboy article that ended up instead

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going to dr. Hynek of a blue book but

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yeah I think he was down there at the

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time with the Mothman episode the one

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with the two couples there in November

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of 66

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and near Point Pleasant that he went

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there to I think he was in the area

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actually investigate an old report about

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somebody that had a cat that had like

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quit correct image Assam Tom the flying

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cat yes who really did exist actually

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but he disappeared up a tree and was

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never seen again now I don't know

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whether the cat flew away but there were

356
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there were reports of cats with wings

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which was really basically as I

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understand it their hair balls that had

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formed on them you know I you know I

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don't think they were actually flying

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but maybe maybe I'm wrong I mean maybe

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this the Tom was a pretty accurate but

363
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John is doing a column for a newspaper

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syndication I think it was in like 70 or

365
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80 papers and they had asked him to go

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down there to investigate the the cat

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and he ended up finding a bird I mean if

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that isn't a coincidence

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or something yeah yeah I'm a twitch

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plays a large part of course and and

371
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UFOs but what was his first reaction

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about the the Mothman well he was quite

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intrigued you know it was a different

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kind of bird and and of course years

375
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later he would get sort of disenchanted

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with it I mean he he wrote me and others

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that you know he he was no longer

378
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interested in Mothman because he'd

379
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received hundreds of reports or maybe

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thousands whatever from all all over the

381
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world and red LED lots read lots of

382
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other stories about similar things so

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you know it was kind of old hat to him

384
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by that by that time but he was

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intrigued that suddenly there was the

386
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whole outbreak and was the UFO and

387
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poltergeist manifestations happening to

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some of these people and of course one

389
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of the the good things to good fortunes

390
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I had was to also locate a gentleman who

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came came in from Sweden

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a key phrase and president who went to

393
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Point Pleasant and visited all about 30

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witnesses all together for several weeks

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and

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planning to move to the United States

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and put roots down in the Point Pleasant

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area but things didn't work out but he

399
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did have kind of a romantic fling with

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Linda Scarberry one of the main

401
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witnesses from that early Mothman

402
00:21:04,220 --> 00:21:02,910
incident at the TNT area and I think

403
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they were thinking of getting married

404
00:21:09,290 --> 00:21:07,890
the the organization over in Sweden that

405
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has a lot of the archives and the

406
00:21:17,470 --> 00:21:12,960
letters oh yes the aaaa fu yes they have

407
00:21:20,930 --> 00:21:17,480
the yeah oh they do a tremendous job of

408
00:21:24,530 --> 00:21:20,940
archiving all this material I mean just

409
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a tremendous they have lots of the early

410
00:21:31,130 --> 00:21:27,840
UFO publications including our UFO

411
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review scanned I don't even know how

412
00:21:35,150 --> 00:21:33,030
they did it since it was a tabloid sized

413
00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:35,160
newspaper right I got to fold it into 20

414
00:21:40,970 --> 00:21:37,260
different parts to get in on my scanner

415
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:40,980
and in fact they have if you look hard

416
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:42,570
enough and some of their files are

417
00:21:48,190 --> 00:21:45,930
difficult to find I tell them this all

418
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the time they actually have all the

419
00:21:54,980 --> 00:21:50,760
exploring of bizarre episodes with the

420
00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:54,990
transcripts on there so if you want

421
00:22:00,580 --> 00:21:56,700
another place to find the exploring the

422
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:00,590
bizarre outside of the K cor radio.com

423
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:03,690
archives and the youtubes mr. UFO secret

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files

425
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:06,090
that's another one you can go to and

426
00:22:11,060 --> 00:22:09,090
find the transcripts none they do it's

427
00:22:14,330 --> 00:22:11,070
like this job yeah they do a tremendous

428
00:22:16,790 --> 00:22:14,340
job and when I pass from this side to

429
00:22:18,740 --> 00:22:16,800
where John may be now I believe they

430
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:18,750
will get the large proportion of the

431
00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:21,450
files as long as somebody can come and

432
00:22:26,510 --> 00:22:23,820
pack them up and and who wants to do

433
00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:26,520
that's a 40 or 50 file drawers I say

434
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:30,030
that's that's right that's for sure well

435
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:32,850
you know before a Mothman John had

436
00:22:40,610 --> 00:22:36,480
written a book called jadoo which was

437
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:40,620
about his trip to the the far east and

438
00:22:45,470 --> 00:22:43,890
his hunt for Bigfoot in a tamale is

439
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:45,480
right and he went to the top of the

440
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:49,170
world and appalled and wala did you

441
00:22:54,620 --> 00:22:51,450
would read that book and

442
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:54,630
get into any of that with him well I've

443
00:23:00,680 --> 00:22:57,600
read the book I didn't really get into

444
00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:00,690
that that much with him but as I began

445
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:03,510
to pull all this together that certainly

446
00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:06,330
was a fascinating air and then I got the

447
00:23:12,019 --> 00:23:10,440
latest version that was redone of Jeddah

448
00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:12,029
where there was a chapter that Doug

449
00:23:20,389 --> 00:23:15,990
Skinner had located where it actually

450
00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:20,399
told about you know John keels fiance

451
00:23:26,299 --> 00:23:23,580
back then in 1954 and and how they'd

452
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:26,309
spent time together in in Egypt during

453
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:29,340
that time before he trekked across all

454
00:23:36,620 --> 00:23:31,919
the way to Singapore that you know it

455
00:23:38,629 --> 00:23:36,630
was a several months and all these

456
00:23:42,169 --> 00:23:38,639
adventures that he had and of course

457
00:23:45,409 --> 00:23:42,179
trying to the many different tricks that

458
00:23:48,289 --> 00:23:45,419
he proved that you know the thing I

459
00:23:51,379 --> 00:23:48,299
think I hear Freddy Krueger sneaking up

460
00:23:54,889 --> 00:23:51,389
on us yeah yeah

461
00:23:57,919 --> 00:23:54,899
the the ax man cometh end up I guess

462
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we'll be back in a few minutes and

463
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:00,110
continue on with this excellent

464
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:13,770
now back to exploring the bazaars with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

466
00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:19,659
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

467
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,710
Lee panting Swift's welcome back to

468
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exploring the bazaar I'm Tim Schwarz

469
00:24:35,730 --> 00:24:32,860
tonight our guest is Brett rains and I

470
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guess Brent that we have a caller who

471
00:24:41,850 --> 00:24:38,380
would like to ask you a question so

472
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Steve are you on the line yes I am mrs.

473
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:44,169
Steve from Michigan and I'd like to

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first I'd like to say that I had the the

475
00:24:53,580 --> 00:24:50,980
privilege of introducing Brett rains at

476
00:24:56,010 --> 00:24:53,590
the this year's Mothman festival when he

477
00:24:58,350 --> 00:24:56,020
spoke about his book and that was quite

478
00:24:59,760 --> 00:24:58,360
a pleasure because the year before Jeff

479
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Wan's Lee who of course is the

480
00:25:04,049 --> 00:25:01,929
co-founder of the festival asked me to

481
00:25:06,029 --> 00:25:04,059
speak on John keel well fortunately

482
00:25:08,610 --> 00:25:06,039
Brent let me have a peek at what he had

483
00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:08,620
written for his book up to that point so

484
00:25:13,620 --> 00:25:10,990
it made the made the talk much better

485
00:25:16,350 --> 00:25:13,630
what I wanted to ask you Brent you

486
00:25:18,510 --> 00:25:16,360
mentioned the Swedish investigator that

487
00:25:19,770 --> 00:25:18,520
kind of followed John keel into plane

488
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:19,780
wasn't I

489
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:24,000
yeah Frandsen was his name yeah yeah

490
00:25:30,510 --> 00:25:28,240
yeah Aki Aki France announced his name

491
00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:30,520
right yeah he and John keel know each

492
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:35,350
other yes in fact he had helped John

493
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,510
keel with some information on early

494
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:40,000
reports of mystery aircraft from the

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1930s that keel was preparing for his

496
00:25:50,430 --> 00:25:47,260
operation Trojan horse and and then he

497
00:25:52,649 --> 00:25:50,440
expressed you know some curiosity about

498
00:25:55,649 --> 00:25:52,659
the Mothman sightings he he actually

499
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:55,659
said he knew you know very little on the

500
00:26:00,750 --> 00:25:57,250
subject but we had read something that

501
00:26:02,909 --> 00:26:00,760
that keel had written and he was kind of

502
00:26:04,890 --> 00:26:02,919
curious and and he was thought he would

503
00:26:07,020 --> 00:26:04,900
come over and spend a few weeks and they

504
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:07,030
even said that at the time he thought he

505
00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:09,010
might get a like a big net see if he

506
00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:10,990
could catch it like some kind of big

507
00:26:16,890 --> 00:26:13,929
birds you know I meet or think it just

508
00:26:19,889 --> 00:26:16,900
correspond they did actually meet at one

509
00:26:22,770 --> 00:26:19,899
point but initially it was

510
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:22,780
correspondence and qu'il wrote him a

511
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:24,490
for the work that he put into helping

512
00:26:30,660 --> 00:26:27,310
him you know getting in research from

513
00:26:33,230 --> 00:26:30,670
archives over in Sweden on these unusual

514
00:26:35,550 --> 00:26:33,240
mystery aircraft reports from the 1930s

515
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,560
Kiel provided him a letter of

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00:26:40,410 --> 00:26:37,600
introduction and he said it open too

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many doors when he got to Point Pleasant

518
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I think the first door was Mary hyre the

519
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:46,090
stringer for the Athens messenger and

520
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:48,310
who had a an office there in Point

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Pleasant and he got to know her very

522
00:26:56,130 --> 00:26:53,770
very well along with Linda Scarberry and

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00:27:00,000 --> 00:26:56,140
and her mom and dad and he ended up

524
00:27:02,250 --> 00:27:00,010
meeting all together about 30 of the the

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Mothman witnesses and he was extremely

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00:27:06,510 --> 00:27:04,900
impressed he said that they were people

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00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:06,520
who you know their experiences had

528
00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:10,530
really affected them and they were very

529
00:27:14,670 --> 00:27:13,270
traumatized by their experiences there

530
00:27:16,770 --> 00:27:14,680
were times that he said well you don't

531
00:27:18,810 --> 00:27:16,780
have to you know if you don't want to

532
00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:18,820
talk about it that's okay and they would

533
00:27:23,460 --> 00:27:21,190
insist no we want to get this off our

534
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:23,470
chest and you know until tell you about

535
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:26,890
this and that you know he would talk to

536
00:27:31,740 --> 00:27:29,770
family and friends who knew them before

537
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:31,750
the experience and they would they would

538
00:27:38,580 --> 00:27:34,330
all say that they were changed after

539
00:27:40,410 --> 00:27:38,590
that and they were always they were

540
00:27:42,660 --> 00:27:40,420
always smoking you know when when he

541
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:42,670
talked with him and really nervous

542
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:44,290
haven't he said even took up smoking

543
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:46,720
again you know it had been he had quit

544
00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:48,610
and then it made him so nervous hearing

545
00:27:53,850 --> 00:27:51,640
these stories but go ahead what a

546
00:27:57,060 --> 00:27:53,860
fascinating part of your book when he

547
00:27:59,370 --> 00:27:57,070
talked about how he he interview well he

548
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,380
talked up you know you'd a lot more

549
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:01,360
people than John keel actually put in

550
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:03,310
his book but also it seems to me that

551
00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:05,230
you said that or that you've reported

552
00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:07,990
that he said that he that they most of

553
00:28:11,850 --> 00:28:09,880
them had an outbreak of poltergeist

554
00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:11,860
phenomena after they'd had an experience

555
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:14,680
with the Mothman yeah there were a

556
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:16,450
number of people who had the poltergeist

557
00:28:24,690 --> 00:28:21,310
activity and there was one family as I

558
00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:24,700
recall that moved shortly after the the

559
00:28:30,690 --> 00:28:27,750
you know they had had that outbreak and

560
00:28:33,690 --> 00:28:30,700
he said they often focused on the shiny

561
00:28:36,390 --> 00:28:33,700
hypnotic eyes or what people thought

562
00:28:40,910 --> 00:28:36,400
were eyes and he just

563
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:40,920
drived how he had interviewed this

564
00:28:48,390 --> 00:28:45,010
Marcela Bennett who described seeing

565
00:28:52,410 --> 00:28:48,400
this this thing with the the red shining

566
00:28:54,420 --> 00:28:52,420
eyes that it just sort of paralyzed her

567
00:28:56,970 --> 00:28:54,430
and her arms went straight down by her

568
00:28:59,130 --> 00:28:56,980
side and she was carrying a newborn baby

569
00:29:02,850 --> 00:28:59,140
and it dropped to the ground and then

570
00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:02,860
said when it started crying it it she

571
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:05,830
snapped out of it and she then grabbed

572
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:08,710
the child up and ran to this house that

573
00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:13,600
they were going to visit and it really

574
00:29:17,940 --> 00:29:16,150
dispels the the one to claim it was

575
00:29:21,260 --> 00:29:17,950
merely I shine it seems like they were

576
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:21,270
pretty clear that this was some kind of

577
00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:25,620
generated light well you know in the

578
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:28,270
when I talked to Linda Scarberry I was

579
00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:32,530
in Point Pleasant in 1976 and I met her

580
00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:36,520
and I met her parents and she had told

581
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,020
me and it surprised me that there wasn't

582
00:29:41,580 --> 00:29:40,000
just that one incident there were there

583
00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:41,590
were quite a number of instances and in

584
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:45,070
one case she said that she had an

585
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:46,690
apartment she told me where it was it

586
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:48,640
was somewhere right in Point Pleasant

587
00:29:55,170 --> 00:29:51,520
and she looked out a window one night

588
00:29:59,850 --> 00:29:55,180
and about three four feet away was a

589
00:30:03,450 --> 00:29:59,860
Mothman and said it was looking in and

590
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:03,460
it had protruding non blinking glowing

591
00:30:11,610 --> 00:30:07,750
red eyes and said it was about about two

592
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,620
inches wide around the protruded out

593
00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:13,120
about a looked like an inch and a half

594
00:30:17,970 --> 00:30:15,820
and she said she'd had quite a number of

595
00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:17,980
sightings that would go back to the TNT

596
00:30:21,780 --> 00:30:20,200
area with other people always wanted to

597
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:21,790
see it but when she did she would just

598
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:25,120
kind of freak out get gets too scared to

599
00:30:32,970 --> 00:30:30,970
do anything but I was quite surprised by

600
00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:32,980
the number of sightings she she claimed

601
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:37,270
that she had had of this and and while I

602
00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:40,140
was in Point Pleasant in 76 I also

603
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:45,070
talked with the Virginia Thomas and she

604
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:46,570
was it was on the grounds of the teen

605
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:48,730
tier her husband worked there

606
00:31:01,970 --> 00:30:57,690
and this was in I think November 1960

607
00:31:07,140 --> 00:31:01,980
toward the end of the homicide you think

608
00:31:10,110 --> 00:31:07,150
I know I think I was one of the ones

609
00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:10,120
standing having dreamed yes she was she

610
00:31:15,810 --> 00:31:13,240
had dreamt she you know said she had the

611
00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:15,820
gift of prophecy she had dreamt about

612
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:21,520
you know the the packages in the Ohio

613
00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:24,640
River before the Silver Bridge and she

614
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:27,190
had dreamt about an explosion at a gale

615
00:31:31,740 --> 00:31:29,770
in Point Pleasant one time that actually

616
00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:31,750
came true to since several people had

617
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:34,900
died but on this occasion she had seen

618
00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:39,130
this gray human-like figure out in the

619
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:40,870
fields about said it looked like it was

620
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,650
six seven feet tall and she said that

621
00:31:48,810 --> 00:31:46,480
her eyes were fixed on it she couldn't

622
00:31:52,020 --> 00:31:48,820
take her eyes off of it said it ran like

623
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:52,030
lightning across the field her ears were

624
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:55,210
popping and there was like a broken fan

625
00:32:01,549 --> 00:31:58,570
belt type sound and she concluded later

626
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:01,559
that she felt like it was a robot and

627
00:32:05,730 --> 00:32:03,850
keelaurow did strange creatures how

628
00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:05,740
there were some witnesses who claimed

629
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,480
that as these things flew overhead that

630
00:32:15,630 --> 00:32:09,760
there was like a some kind of a

631
00:32:18,510 --> 00:32:15,640
mechanical sound Steve anyway thank you

632
00:32:22,620 --> 00:32:18,520
thank you for calling in giving us your

633
00:32:24,180 --> 00:32:22,630
your insight on this and we'll let me I

634
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:24,190
guess they have a group in close show

635
00:32:33,270 --> 00:32:30,610
okay yeah okay this book is so good I

636
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,280
thought I follow keels for decades and

637
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,919
there's so much more in here and it's

638
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:37,360
great that you know for a while he was

639
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:38,890
being forgotten and the only thing that

640
00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:39,970
was being reprinted was the Mothman

641
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:40,750
Prophecies

642
00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:43,840
but now so much is out there and Brent's

643
00:32:49,409 --> 00:32:46,510
book is something that I'm so glad it's

644
00:32:54,380 --> 00:32:49,419
not now for people it is one of my top

645
00:32:58,830 --> 00:32:54,390
reads for the the year anyway well thank

646
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,840
you thank you and I'll send you a dolls

647
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:00,960
too I guess

648
00:33:09,149 --> 00:33:06,369
well there goes your royal right out

649
00:33:11,159 --> 00:33:09,159
right out the window uh anyway that's a

650
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:11,169
Steve Ward who of course been on our

651
00:33:15,899 --> 00:33:13,289
program and he's a excellent

652
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:15,909
investigator and involved with the very

653
00:33:23,729 --> 00:33:19,840
informed on key hotel you and involved

654
00:33:26,249 --> 00:33:23,739
in the Mothman festival on a yearly

655
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:26,259
basis I believe he does the the

656
00:33:35,549 --> 00:33:31,710
organizes a hayride yes and he also I

657
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:35,559
know this year he was speaking at the

658
00:33:41,639 --> 00:33:38,799
festival he generally speaks out I mean

659
00:33:44,249 --> 00:33:41,649
tens all kinds of these activities not

660
00:33:47,639 --> 00:33:44,259
just Mothman but other conferences of a

661
00:33:51,629 --> 00:33:47,649
fourteen nature and he also was like MC

662
00:33:53,969 --> 00:33:51,639
at the events this year and introduced

663
00:33:56,129 --> 00:33:53,979
me which I appreciated and had some

664
00:33:57,299 --> 00:33:56,139
great conversations with him while I was

665
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,309
there you know

666
00:34:05,629 --> 00:33:59,679
anyway Tim yeah I know you had some

667
00:34:08,609 --> 00:34:05,639
questions to interject here well since

668
00:34:12,299 --> 00:34:08,619
we're talking about the Mothman and

669
00:34:14,849 --> 00:34:12,309
other wing weirdies there's there's some

670
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,859
sections in your book that I just found

671
00:34:19,409 --> 00:34:16,960
fascinating because I think a lot of

672
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:19,419
people's impression was that you know

673
00:34:26,010 --> 00:34:22,990
the Mothman you know was exclusive to

674
00:34:29,579 --> 00:34:26,020
the Point Pleasant area you know the in

675
00:34:31,950 --> 00:34:29,589
the sixties and and that was it but you

676
00:34:37,859 --> 00:34:31,960
you've got some excellent stories about

677
00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:37,869
people who actually found some of these

678
00:34:42,450 --> 00:34:40,750
winged creatures in their house there

679
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:42,460
were there was one where the the

680
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:45,250
children came downstairs and they said

681
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:46,720
that there was something in the room and

682
00:34:51,149 --> 00:34:48,970
when their mother went up there there

683
00:34:54,419 --> 00:34:51,159
was a winged creature

684
00:34:56,609 --> 00:34:54,429
I guess prone on the floor yeah just

685
00:34:58,920 --> 00:34:56,619
laying on the floor and it was in the

686
00:35:01,410 --> 00:34:58,930
winter time and it was very cold outside

687
00:35:03,539 --> 00:35:01,420
but the mother decided that they were

688
00:35:05,370 --> 00:35:03,549
just gonna all go outside even though it

689
00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:05,380
was very cold as long as they could and

690
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:07,750
then they you know that the husband was

691
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:10,960
away at work and and and after a while

692
00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:13,359
she decided well you know it's it's too

693
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:14,740
cold out here we got to go back

694
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,130
went back in it wasn't there but it had

695
00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:21,040
she said these eyes kind of like like a

696
00:35:28,620 --> 00:35:24,599
fly and it was some kind of a winged

697
00:35:30,839 --> 00:35:28,630
figure quite large just laying on the

698
00:35:34,829 --> 00:35:30,849
floor and then I I came across the story

699
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,839
from over around Russia that involved a

700
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:36,880
family that had some kind of a winged

701
00:35:41,370 --> 00:35:39,280
creature under their bed and they they

702
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:41,380
killed it and they laid it outside in

703
00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:44,220
the ditch and then later it it vanished

704
00:35:50,970 --> 00:35:46,270
maybe they just thought they killed it

705
00:35:53,550 --> 00:35:50,980
anyway what did we get we had that woman

706
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:53,560
on from the the author on from the

707
00:35:58,740 --> 00:35:56,080
Philippines who told about how what was

708
00:36:01,050 --> 00:35:58,750
her father had seen the Mothman outside

709
00:36:03,780 --> 00:36:01,060
the window and then he died under

710
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:03,790
mysterious circumstances or perhaps he

711
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:06,160
committed suicide he committed suicide

712
00:36:12,290 --> 00:36:09,849
yeah well I mean it is this thing would

713
00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:12,300
appear outside of his office window

714
00:36:18,270 --> 00:36:14,980
repeatedly you know for you know a

715
00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:18,280
number of months and it just finally you

716
00:36:23,370 --> 00:36:21,160
know if it finally got the better of him

717
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:23,380
but I was just going to say you know

718
00:36:28,530 --> 00:36:25,750
it's it's you think about these people

719
00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:28,540
who find these things you know in their

720
00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:29,830
house and there are some stories also

721
00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:32,950
about people waking up and there would

722
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:34,990
be like a winged creature hanging from

723
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:39,040
their ceiling like a max you know within

724
00:36:44,490 --> 00:36:42,310
like I guess just inches from their face

725
00:36:46,349 --> 00:36:44,500
and you know it's it's you think about

726
00:36:49,470 --> 00:36:46,359
it it's bad enough if you find like a

727
00:36:50,849 --> 00:36:49,480
spider or a centipede at your house but

728
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:50,859
to think that you look under your bed

729
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:52,839
and there's some kind of bizarre winged

730
00:36:57,870 --> 00:36:55,119
creature you know the one in Russia that

731
00:37:00,380 --> 00:36:57,880
you talked about the the description is

732
00:37:03,870 --> 00:37:00,390
very familiar with a lot of these

733
00:37:08,780 --> 00:37:03,880
sightings with I think you know with

734
00:37:12,060 --> 00:37:08,790
almost like a human type of face but

735
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:12,070
almost like also like a like a flat

736
00:37:18,839 --> 00:37:16,450
doglike face what's you know it makes it

737
00:37:22,770 --> 00:37:18,849
makes me wonder Brent and and I'm sure

738
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:22,780
that you've speculated on this yourself

739
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:25,359
you know I've seen this I seen this

740
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:27,050
throughout this book

741
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:29,690
that you know we may not necessarily be

742
00:37:35,830 --> 00:37:33,440
dealing with at least all the time

743
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,840
physical creatures you know to think

744
00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:37,280
that she would come home and find a

745
00:37:44,970 --> 00:37:40,760
seven-foot bat-like creature lying on

746
00:37:49,420 --> 00:37:44,980
your bedroom floor how did it get there

747
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:49,430
right and and and keel you know he he

748
00:37:55,210 --> 00:37:52,010
pondered this this whole question long

749
00:37:57,870 --> 00:37:55,220
and hard and and you know he had that I

750
00:38:00,880 --> 00:37:57,880
found a lot of really interesting

751
00:38:04,030 --> 00:38:00,890
thoughts he proposed and areas he

752
00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:04,040
explored in his newsletter anomaly which

753
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:08,270
I'm sure that mr. UFO Tim here has all

754
00:38:16,270 --> 00:38:12,650
sorts of those filed away - well yeah

755
00:38:19,060 --> 00:38:16,280
somewhere somewhere sir III might I

756
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,070
might suggest that people who want to do

757
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:21,920
some adept research on key laughter

758
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:24,530
after they've read your your book there

759
00:38:31,870 --> 00:38:28,160
is a is it a John keel dot-com or John

760
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:31,880
keel not a dot yet John keel calm of

761
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:35,690
that that Doug Skinner his keels old

762
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:38,570
friend is very involved with and I've

763
00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:41,930
just recently a few days ago sent Doug

764
00:38:48,820 --> 00:38:46,040
the some a bunch of my letters that I

765
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:48,830
got from keel years ago and he said they

766
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:51,010
you know brought up a lot of interesting

767
00:38:56,110 --> 00:38:54,110
things in those letters that keel was

768
00:38:57,940 --> 00:38:56,120
telling me and he you know I said if you

769
00:38:59,950 --> 00:38:57,950
want to use them on that site so if

770
00:39:02,380 --> 00:38:59,960
anyone else has you might have some

771
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:02,390
letters yourself filed away that might

772
00:39:08,890 --> 00:39:05,690
you know maybe put them on John keel

773
00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:08,900
comm send him to Doug Skinner I'm sure

774
00:39:20,590 --> 00:39:11,360
he would like to have them he's been

775
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:20,600
posting so much so what would kind of

776
00:39:26,980 --> 00:39:24,650
step away from the the whole Mothman

777
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:26,990
because I mean we could get wrapped up

778
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:30,970
in that in that aspect of keels

779
00:39:38,860 --> 00:39:33,680
investigations for for the rest of the

780
00:39:39,070 --> 00:39:38,870
program but I'm curious now he wrote the

781
00:39:40,540 --> 00:39:39,080
book

782
00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:40,550
jadoo when

783
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:43,070
when he was younger which if people

784
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:45,050
haven't read it I highly recommend that

785
00:39:56,350 --> 00:39:48,640
you you go out and get yourself a copy

786
00:39:59,830 --> 00:39:56,360
how did he'll get involved then with the

787
00:40:04,740 --> 00:39:59,840
whole you know UFO /a paranormal thing

788
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:04,750
was it his involvement with the Mothman

789
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:07,010
incidents in Point Pleasant that got him

790
00:40:15,340 --> 00:40:11,200
going or was there something before that

791
00:40:18,910 --> 00:40:15,350
well when he was younger and and and I

792
00:40:22,690 --> 00:40:18,920
gleaned some of these facts from mr. UFO

793
00:40:26,260 --> 00:40:22,700
here Tim Beckley the interview he did

794
00:40:29,170 --> 00:40:26,270
with Kiel some years back where a keel

795
00:40:31,830 --> 00:40:29,180
was explaining some of the early

796
00:40:36,220 --> 00:40:31,840
experiences that he had like when he was

797
00:40:38,850 --> 00:40:36,230
about 7 years old back about 1937 he

798
00:40:41,620 --> 00:40:38,860
said he had his first UFO experience his

799
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:41,630
stepdad was driving and his mom was with

800
00:40:47,410 --> 00:40:44,210
him and they were up in Kat Kenneth's

801
00:40:50,530 --> 00:40:47,420
serega New York wherever that is exactly

802
00:40:52,810 --> 00:40:50,540
and they had seen this brilliant

803
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:52,820
illuminated sphere at first I thought it

804
00:40:57,580 --> 00:40:55,010
was a barn on fire and then it rose into

805
00:41:00,250 --> 00:40:57,590
the air above this hill and it was a

806
00:41:04,330 --> 00:41:00,260
round ball of light and then suddenly it

807
00:41:07,710 --> 00:41:04,340
just shot off at unbelievable speed and

808
00:41:11,110 --> 00:41:07,720
that made a real deep impression on

809
00:41:14,290 --> 00:41:11,120
young Kiel at that time and he'd claimed

810
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:14,300
that he had that there the farmhouse

811
00:41:18,310 --> 00:41:16,070
there of his grandparents that there was

812
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:18,320
like poltergeist activity that was an

813
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,110
early exposure to poltergeist activity

814
00:41:23,950 --> 00:41:22,400
knocks on the bedroom wall he had

815
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:23,960
knocked back try to work out some kind

816
00:41:33,010 --> 00:41:29,090
of a code and he had written to a :

817
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:33,020
Wilson that for years he'd been

818
00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:34,610
interviewing and was thinking about

819
00:41:38,410 --> 00:41:36,980
writing a book on warlocks and witches

820
00:41:40,810 --> 00:41:38,420
because he said these people claimed

821
00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:40,820
they could see and partially control

822
00:41:46,540 --> 00:41:44,390
elementals and when Kiel was a young

823
00:41:50,490 --> 00:41:46,550
adolescent he felt that he had that

824
00:41:53,140 --> 00:41:50,500
ability to some extent to himself but he

825
00:41:54,190 --> 00:41:53,150
began to redirect it by you know going

826
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:54,200
into a physic

827
00:42:00,339 --> 00:41:56,450
and chemistry and some sciences and and

828
00:42:03,819 --> 00:42:00,349
he kind of by 18 he had lost that that

829
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:03,829
ability but when he was 18 also he was

830
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:06,130
living in room just off Times Square and

831
00:42:10,930 --> 00:42:09,290
claimed he had one of these peak

832
00:42:13,089 --> 00:42:10,940
experiences where there was this

833
00:42:14,829 --> 00:42:13,099
indescribable pinkish light that

834
00:42:17,530 --> 00:42:14,839
illuminated this room he was staying in

835
00:42:21,819 --> 00:42:17,540
and it was flooded where he was flooded

836
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:21,829
in his mind with a turn of information

837
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:25,040
he felt that he knew the secret to all

838
00:42:32,050 --> 00:42:28,310
these things knew everything he said or

839
00:42:38,190 --> 00:42:32,060
he wrote and then by second epitome

840
00:42:42,099 --> 00:42:38,200
pisses me well you know I I'm thinking

841
00:42:44,349 --> 00:42:42,109
Brent that that's a great interview I

842
00:42:46,210 --> 00:42:44,359
had forgotten about forgot I mean it's

843
00:42:50,589 --> 00:42:46,220
many years ago that I that I did the

844
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:50,599
interview that should go over to John

845
00:42:55,420 --> 00:42:53,599
keel calm I I would believe because I

846
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:55,430
don't remember reading any of that

847
00:42:59,940 --> 00:42:58,010
information anywhere else to be honest

848
00:43:03,520 --> 00:42:59,950
with you and I did the interview haha

849
00:43:10,359 --> 00:43:03,530
that's right that's right interview with

850
00:43:13,930 --> 00:43:10,369
you in my book and you well so what made

851
00:43:16,750 --> 00:43:13,940
me realize about the lenka toe the one

852
00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:16,760
who you know her and qu'il were actually

853
00:43:21,579 --> 00:43:19,790
dating at one time and oh yeah they had

854
00:43:25,569 --> 00:43:21,589
a great deal in common you know she

855
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,579
wrote that 400 page bibliography on UFO

856
00:43:31,300 --> 00:43:27,440
literature and pointed out all these

857
00:43:34,270 --> 00:43:31,310
psychic elements and qu'il only devoted

858
00:43:36,940 --> 00:43:34,280
two paragraphs about you know her in

859
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:36,950
that bibliography but you know I got

860
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:39,050
because of you I got to reading a little

861
00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:42,050
more about her and Keele and and talk

862
00:43:48,130 --> 00:43:45,470
contacted Doug Skinner and I had noticed

863
00:43:51,099 --> 00:43:48,140
in the Mothman Prophecies this story

864
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,109
about some woman from Washington DC who

865
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:53,839
visited one weekend I was going to spend

866
00:44:00,510 --> 00:43:57,170
the weekend visiting Ivan Sanderson at

867
00:44:03,059 --> 00:44:00,520
his farm there in remote New Jersey and

868
00:44:06,609 --> 00:44:03,069
he had all these newspaper clippings

869
00:44:07,780 --> 00:44:06,619
dating back years on UFOs and so she was

870
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:07,790
going to go there

871
00:44:15,450 --> 00:44:10,400
to collect this information and she was

872
00:44:18,850 --> 00:44:15,460
followed by a panel truck and turned out

873
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:18,860
that this you know well I didn't know

874
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:21,050
that it was her for sure but it sounded

875
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:23,810
like her oh yes I believe it would be

876
00:44:29,140 --> 00:44:26,530
you know we we need to talk about the

877
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:29,150
Electra - EVP the electronic voice

878
00:44:32,890 --> 00:44:31,370
phenomena because we started off the the

879
00:44:36,370 --> 00:44:32,900
show with that little let's get there

880
00:44:42,340 --> 00:44:36,380
and it's a more serious than I think

881
00:44:45,130 --> 00:44:42,350
some people would be led to believe John

882
00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:45,140
of course did have some very wacky and

883
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:48,950
very unusual phone calls we don't know

884
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:51,530
one was of course with the mysterious

885
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:54,440
Indrid cold and he was in his hotel room

886
00:45:03,400 --> 00:44:58,400
and anyway the the it's a it's a

887
00:45:05,410 --> 00:45:03,410
fascinating story and well you you went

888
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:05,420
into the EVP now what was John's

889
00:45:09,490 --> 00:45:07,970
feelings on that kind of phenomena with

890
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:09,500
the voice phenomena and the telephone

891
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:12,770
calls and all well he he actually

892
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:15,770
believed that the contactees were the

893
00:45:21,790 --> 00:45:18,290
first ones to be reporting on having

894
00:45:24,190 --> 00:45:21,800
EVPs back in the early 50s but nobody

895
00:45:26,380 --> 00:45:24,200
paid attention to him because they they

896
00:45:31,210 --> 00:45:26,390
assumed it was all just a bunch of BS it

897
00:45:32,970 --> 00:45:31,220
was to woo you know and but he recounted

898
00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:32,980
you know that there were quite a few

899
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:35,630
remarkable incidents that were reported

900
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:39,650
and ham radio operators yeah yeah we

901
00:45:46,750 --> 00:45:44,570
just did a book on nikola tesla the man

902
00:45:50,170 --> 00:45:46,760
who talked to mars and the stars or

903
00:45:51,970 --> 00:45:50,180
where he talked to and we had a lot of

904
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:51,980
the incidents that you're referring to

905
00:46:00,340 --> 00:45:54,050
like by the mitchell sisters and john

906
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:00,350
otto and they have a radio people that

907
00:46:05,290 --> 00:46:01,970
were including a Senator Barry Goldwater

908
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:05,300
who of course I ran for president at one

909
00:46:10,750 --> 00:46:07,930
time there were receiving them messages

910
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:10,760
you know on there on their ham sets and

911
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:14,510
under sea bees and they were getting

912
00:46:19,870 --> 00:46:17,090
communications from somewhere out there

913
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:19,880
and there's always been this you know

914
00:46:25,229 --> 00:46:21,609
feeling among UFO researchers

915
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:25,239
dr. phones are being you know tapped by

916
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:26,650
the the government and the course I

917
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:27,970
don't think the government is interested

918
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:30,640
in most of these UFO researchers to be

919
00:46:34,109 --> 00:46:32,319
honest with the end if they were they

920
00:46:35,549 --> 00:46:34,119
could subscribe to their newsletters in

921
00:46:38,910 --> 00:46:35,559
those days so I don't think that they

922
00:46:41,130 --> 00:46:38,920
would have to tap their phones but what

923
00:46:43,579 --> 00:46:41,140
was the actual incident with John in the

924
00:46:46,460 --> 00:46:43,589
in the hotel room do you remember that

925
00:46:48,779 --> 00:46:46,470
well I know there were different

926
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:48,789
incidents there was the one where he got

927
00:46:53,789 --> 00:46:52,089
this he checked in he said it a motel at

928
00:46:56,970 --> 00:46:53,799
random and there were all these messages

929
00:47:00,479 --> 00:46:56,980
and then there was the he got a phone

930
00:47:03,059 --> 00:47:00,489
call to go to mount misery and he went

931
00:47:05,940 --> 00:47:03,069
and there was a black Cadillac with two

932
00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:05,950
oriental men looking type men inside it

933
00:47:11,460 --> 00:47:08,190
and he followed him down a road and then

934
00:47:13,499 --> 00:47:11,470
he had claimed in an article that they

935
00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:13,509
came to a dead end and where did the

936
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:15,220
black Cadillac go he'd been following

937
00:47:19,049 --> 00:47:17,170
right behind him all right Brenton we've

938
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:19,059
got a funeral here because we have our

939
00:47:22,739 --> 00:47:21,249
top of the hour break so stay tuned we

940
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:22,749
have another half hour with Brent on

941
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:34,750
explore the bazaars or e-ticket ride

942
00:47:40,510 --> 00:47:37,210
into the world of the paranormal

943
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:40,520
strap yourself in as we traverse the

944
00:47:49,930 --> 00:47:44,800
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

945
00:47:53,650 --> 00:47:49,940
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology as well

946
00:47:58,540 --> 00:47:53,660
as other dimensions it's time to take

947
00:48:01,810 --> 00:47:58,550
back the night now your electrifying

948
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:01,820
hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

949
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:07,490
Begley and team sports welcome back to

950
00:48:12,340 --> 00:48:10,370
more exploring the bizarre tonight we're

951
00:48:14,850 --> 00:48:12,350
having a great time talking with Brett

952
00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:14,860
rains who is the author of the new book

953
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:18,350
John killed the man the myths and the

954
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:22,720
outgoing mysteries now a timid Brit you

955
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:26,930
before we had to break for the top of

956
00:48:31,770 --> 00:48:28,130
the hour

957
00:48:35,410 --> 00:48:31,780
commercials News you were talking about

958
00:48:38,410 --> 00:48:35,420
John and some of the mysterious phone

959
00:48:42,540 --> 00:48:38,420
calls and EVPs the that he got I think

960
00:48:46,510 --> 00:48:42,550
you we had to interrupt you when he

961
00:48:48,460 --> 00:48:46,520
checked in to motels and found that

962
00:48:50,590 --> 00:48:48,470
there was all kinds of messages waiting

963
00:48:53,470 --> 00:48:50,600
for him even though nobody knew that he

964
00:48:56,980 --> 00:48:53,480
was going to be there right that's the

965
00:49:00,370 --> 00:48:56,990
story and you know as now the way he

966
00:49:03,940 --> 00:49:00,380
felt you know was that they were they

967
00:49:05,740 --> 00:49:03,950
were trickster type intelligence he

968
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:05,750
called him ultra terrestrials he felt

969
00:49:11,740 --> 00:49:08,960
they were the age old elemental forms

970
00:49:14,430 --> 00:49:11,750
that the cultists used to refer to and

971
00:49:19,930 --> 00:49:14,440
that they could be definitely

972
00:49:23,590 --> 00:49:19,940
mischievous and deceptive and he when it

973
00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:23,600
came to messages like electronic voice

974
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:27,830
phenomena EVP he felt that they could

975
00:49:33,370 --> 00:49:30,050
imitate any voice and they could

976
00:49:36,540 --> 00:49:33,380
communicate some surprising information

977
00:49:41,290 --> 00:49:36,550
make you can convince you that it was

978
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:41,300
someone perhaps you had known before

979
00:49:47,470 --> 00:49:44,410
they passed they could provide you with

980
00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:47,480
information that seemed real so this was

981
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:49,430
why Akhil said he he can just sit

982
00:49:55,329 --> 00:49:52,569
herself more of a demonologist than a

983
00:49:58,750 --> 00:49:55,339
UFO researcher because of his experience

984
00:50:00,010 --> 00:49:58,760
and investigating contact cases and

985
00:50:02,250 --> 00:50:00,020
people feeling that they were in touch

986
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:02,260
with some sort of higher intelligence

987
00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:06,400
and he felt that was actually deceptive

988
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:12,470
intelligence that he he I think it was

989
00:50:16,270 --> 00:50:13,910
in his operation Trojan horse he

990
00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:16,280
recounted about a friend who had a

991
00:50:21,549 --> 00:50:18,230
recording from a medium where the medium

992
00:50:23,530 --> 00:50:21,559
was speaking in a voice that was he

993
00:50:27,220 --> 00:50:23,540
believed that the guy that had recording

994
00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:27,230
believed it was a certain person that he

995
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:30,920
had you know known during life his

996
00:50:36,299 --> 00:50:33,410
lifetime and was now in spirit world and

997
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:36,309
he'll deny any of it he felt that it was

998
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:38,569
one of these trickster type

999
00:50:46,539 --> 00:50:43,490
intelligences and so anyway after qu'il

1000
00:50:48,190 --> 00:50:46,549
had passed away I was working with some

1001
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:48,200
people and some doing some paranormal

1002
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:52,490
work and one of them was using a ghost

1003
00:51:00,760 --> 00:50:56,569
box bret oldham who was a an experienced

1004
00:51:03,579 --> 00:51:00,770
or both spirits and alien encounters

1005
00:51:06,089 --> 00:51:03,589
alien abductions all of it going back to

1006
00:51:10,990 --> 00:51:06,099
age five and continuing to this day and

1007
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,000
you know I had tried EVP work going back

1008
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:13,040
to the 70s and never really had much

1009
00:51:17,020 --> 00:51:15,010
success with it so I was kind of

1010
00:51:18,299 --> 00:51:17,030
skeptical that it was going to be any

1011
00:51:22,900 --> 00:51:18,309
different this time

1012
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:22,910
but anyway during the investigations we

1013
00:51:30,010 --> 00:51:25,970
were getting some unusual feedback just

1014
00:51:35,859 --> 00:51:30,020
using the recorder or doing the the

1015
00:51:40,030 --> 00:51:35,869
Ghost Box which is a digital radio

1016
00:51:41,620 --> 00:51:40,040
that's placed on continuous scan it's

1017
00:51:43,780 --> 00:51:41,630
fixed with it right you know just

1018
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,790
continually runs through the stations

1019
00:51:49,809 --> 00:51:46,400
and the theory is that the white noise

1020
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:49,819
allows for the spirits to come through

1021
00:51:54,220 --> 00:51:51,650
the white noise because you know that

1022
00:51:56,980 --> 00:51:54,230
was way that it's been done going back

1023
00:52:03,790 --> 00:51:56,990
to the 60s over in you

1024
00:52:06,090 --> 00:52:03,800
Europe and such and so anyway I wasn't

1025
00:52:09,010 --> 00:52:06,100
really expecting anything to happen but

1026
00:52:11,050 --> 00:52:09,020
would be on investigation and Brett

1027
00:52:13,930 --> 00:52:11,060
would suddenly tell me hey we I just

1028
00:52:15,870 --> 00:52:13,940
heard John keel and I'm thinking maybe

1029
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:15,880
peridot earlier whatever you know but it

1030
00:52:24,730 --> 00:52:19,310
would play it back and sure enough twice

1031
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:24,740
one evening we got John keel and so July

1032
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:29,090
3rd of 2010 which was the one-year

1033
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,310
anniversary of keels passing we were

1034
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:33,440
we're at this home with Sandy Nichols

1035
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:36,850
and Thompson station south of Nashville

1036
00:52:45,070 --> 00:52:43,040
here at Tennessee and anyway I asked the

1037
00:52:46,570 --> 00:52:45,080
group you know they care if I'd reach

1038
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:46,580
out to John keel because he had just

1039
00:52:51,730 --> 00:52:48,800
passed away last year at the same same

1040
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:51,740
date and they were more than than happy

1041
00:52:59,440 --> 00:52:56,330
to give it a try so we we had I believe

1042
00:53:03,340 --> 00:52:59,450
three recorders going at that time I had

1043
00:53:04,030 --> 00:53:03,350
one and and I think sandy Nichols and

1044
00:53:07,870 --> 00:53:04,040
Brett Holden

1045
00:53:11,770 --> 00:53:07,880
Oldham had theirs who had ghost box

1046
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:11,780
hooked up to a stereo speaker speakers

1047
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:17,690
and anyway Brett asked the question you

1048
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:22,250
know could his guide or guides have John

1049
00:53:27,940 --> 00:53:25,010
keel say his name and within a short

1050
00:53:36,370 --> 00:53:27,950
time I mean a second or two

1051
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:36,380
a male boy says John keel and and then

1052
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:37,330
later

1053
00:53:47,710 --> 00:53:42,609
Brett buid also years earlier seen a

1054
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,720
Bigfoot in Ohio wanted to know because I

1055
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:49,760
told him about John keels knowledge on

1056
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:53,450
cryptids what he knew now that he was on

1057
00:54:00,310 --> 00:53:55,250
the other side what he knew about

1058
00:54:02,530 --> 00:54:00,320
Bigfoot and this again very strong male

1059
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:02,540
voice came through and said schmuck

1060
00:54:09,130 --> 00:54:06,530
Bigfoot see and then they were like two

1061
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:09,140
other voices came through that said see

1062
00:54:15,220 --> 00:54:10,880
and another one said see

1063
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:15,230
and so we were getting a number of

1064
00:54:21,850 --> 00:54:18,770
things I asked about jadoo I said what

1065
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:21,860
can you tell us about Jia do and this

1066
00:54:33,610 --> 00:54:30,910
voice said Jed do a and anyway and then

1067
00:54:39,610 --> 00:54:33,620
later that night we did a second session

1068
00:54:43,420 --> 00:54:39,620
and I wrote down on a little notebook

1069
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:43,430
pad some things one of them was MIB

1070
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:48,650
and at that time I revealed to Sandy and

1071
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:51,770
and Bret okay guys this is what I want

1072
00:54:59,530 --> 00:54:54,290
them to to say don't tell him what it is

1073
00:55:01,240 --> 00:54:59,540
just ask him to say and we got what

1074
00:55:03,330 --> 00:55:01,250
sounded like a very high-speed voice

1075
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:03,340
saying MIB you know like that real quick

1076
00:55:07,930 --> 00:55:06,530
it took maybe two or three minutes

1077
00:55:11,590 --> 00:55:07,940
before you know you kept hearing like

1078
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:11,600
him and then B or something like that

1079
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:14,000
just like maybe somebody was trying to

1080
00:55:21,700 --> 00:55:17,570
say it and then it came out the whole

1081
00:55:26,050 --> 00:55:21,710
whole thing so after that we started

1082
00:55:27,220 --> 00:55:26,060
doing experiments we would have doing

1083
00:55:31,090 --> 00:55:27,230
that over to having something written on

1084
00:55:33,420 --> 00:55:31,100
paper and from time to time bingo the

1085
00:55:40,060 --> 00:55:33,430
voice would say what was written down

1086
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:40,070
and the only thing I could think of was

1087
00:55:46,660 --> 00:55:44,690
maybe somebody's got a wireless you know

1088
00:55:51,850 --> 00:55:46,670
AM transmitter because we were used in

1089
00:55:55,470 --> 00:55:51,860
the am frequency and so I got my own my

1090
00:55:59,200 --> 00:55:55,480
own Ghost Box went to RadioShack my

1091
00:56:03,760 --> 00:55:59,210
son-in-law he he fixed it so it go on

1092
00:56:06,790 --> 00:56:03,770
continuous scan and so even put a little

1093
00:56:09,150 --> 00:56:06,800
label on it Ghost Box just for good

1094
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,160
measure and

1095
00:56:12,510 --> 00:56:10,960
from time to time we were doing the

1096
00:56:15,690 --> 00:56:12,520
sessions and I had pointed the label I

1097
00:56:20,279 --> 00:56:15,700
say what is this and voice would say

1098
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:20,289
ghost box but we were sitting here one

1099
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:24,000
time in the house me and my wife and and

1100
00:56:30,510 --> 00:56:26,799
this voice came through and said John

1101
00:56:32,339 --> 00:56:30,520
keel Brett and I got John keel a number

1102
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:32,349
of times and right after that avoid said

1103
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:33,520
Burt here

1104
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:37,359
and I felt like that was Burt Schwarz

1105
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:40,089
the psychiatrist pair of psychologists

1106
00:56:44,430 --> 00:56:42,609
who you know investigating Estella

1107
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:44,440
Lansing at all

1108
00:56:49,950 --> 00:56:48,130
after he passed in September 2010 we

1109
00:56:56,339 --> 00:56:49,960
began to ask who was there and we'd get

1110
00:56:58,020 --> 00:56:56,349
dr. Schwartz dr. Schwartz you know we

1111
00:57:00,690 --> 00:56:58,030
should point out though too that there

1112
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:00,700
was some independent confirmation of

1113
00:57:05,309 --> 00:57:03,849
this there was a fellow who was a an

1114
00:57:09,029 --> 00:57:05,319
associate of Kiehl's

1115
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:09,039
by the name of Dan Grayson right yeah

1116
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:11,770
you mentioned him in the in the book and

1117
00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:15,970
he actually went out and did a video

1118
00:57:22,019 --> 00:57:18,910
which i found on amazon prime which is

1119
00:57:25,890 --> 00:57:22,029
an excellent video on the et Cie which

1120
00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:25,900
is the i guess their modern version of

1121
00:57:32,670 --> 00:57:28,809
electronic voice phenomena where they

1122
00:57:35,970 --> 00:57:32,680
come over the TV sets and over the the

1123
00:57:38,279 --> 00:57:35,980
computer and i believe you recall is it

1124
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,289
called his doctor what you called

1125
00:57:45,210 --> 00:57:40,720
calling earth yeah calling her that

1126
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:45,220
CBP's and i TC the instrument i could be

1127
00:57:50,839 --> 00:57:48,010
visual or it could be a voice yeah yeah

1128
00:57:53,220 --> 00:57:50,849
mark mark may see it did some tremendous

1129
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:53,230
groundbreaking research into this i I

1130
00:58:00,660 --> 00:57:57,720
know many over a decade ago we had him

1131
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:00,670
lecture for us out there in Colorado

1132
00:58:08,430 --> 00:58:03,760
Springs at one of our conferences but he

1133
00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:08,440
seems to be media shy I don't he doesn't

1134
00:58:13,529 --> 00:58:10,809
seem to want to do any any any programs

1135
00:58:18,269 --> 00:58:13,539
at this day and age but certainly Dan

1136
00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:18,279
Grayson's a video is worth a viewing on

1137
00:58:22,530 --> 00:58:20,140
Amazon Prime and if you remember don't

1138
00:58:24,090 --> 00:58:22,540
cost you anything and it

1139
00:58:26,610 --> 00:58:24,100
it's probably one of the best that I've

1140
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:26,620
I've seen there there's some videos that

1141
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:29,890
have been made in in Europe that you

1142
00:58:33,930 --> 00:58:31,690
know just have closed captions on it but

1143
00:58:37,170 --> 00:58:33,940
they're not as anywhere nearly as

1144
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:37,180
interesting as this dancer yes yeah and

1145
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:41,200
I you know ie ever since I had read the

1146
00:58:45,930 --> 00:58:43,330
Mothman Prophecies which mentioned Dan

1147
00:58:48,060 --> 00:58:45,940
Drazen with you know several times and

1148
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:48,070
he had been down to Point Pleasant back

1149
00:58:52,620 --> 00:58:50,770
in 67 and and I wanted you know I

1150
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:52,630
thought if I could find him and I I did

1151
00:58:59,730 --> 00:58:56,130
through Nancy toll but the crops are and

1152
00:59:02,670 --> 00:58:59,740
she she had provided him information

1153
00:59:10,010 --> 00:59:02,680
where he went to Holland and interviewed

1154
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:10,020
this Robert von Brock and because he

1155
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:13,210
predicts appearances of crop circles has

1156
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:15,730
seen UFOs spirits and things and he

1157
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:20,770
claims and so Dan went over and took his

1158
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:30,090
it's those tickle it's those ticklish

1159
00:59:37,170 --> 00:59:35,410
Mothman feathers that are doing I wish

1160
00:59:38,460 --> 00:59:37,180
the cat wouldn't you know keep chewing

1161
00:59:50,460 --> 00:59:38,470
on his feathers and they're just

1162
00:59:52,980 --> 00:59:50,470
floating yeah okay but yeah he he went

1163
00:59:56,850 --> 00:59:52,990
over and he captured some unusual

1164
01:00:00,590 --> 00:59:56,860
imagery one was a face of a gentleman he

1165
01:00:04,190 --> 01:00:00,600
believed had been an early EVP

1166
01:00:07,260 --> 01:00:04,200
researcher over there in Europe and

1167
01:00:09,690 --> 01:00:07,270
that's also on the calling earth and and

1168
01:00:12,750 --> 01:00:09,700
when I saw that Nancy tell what it had

1169
01:00:14,850 --> 01:00:12,760
posted that I I wrote her an aster is

1170
01:00:16,410 --> 01:00:14,860
this the same one in John keels book and

1171
01:00:17,070 --> 01:00:16,420
she says I don't know but he's a very

1172
01:00:19,050 --> 01:00:17,080
nice guy

1173
01:00:21,950 --> 01:00:19,060
here's this email you can write him and

1174
01:00:27,150 --> 01:00:21,960
sure enough it was he lives out in

1175
01:00:30,990 --> 01:00:27,160
California now but yeah he's uh I sent

1176
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:31,000
him some of my John keel EVPs to listen

1177
01:00:36,300 --> 01:00:34,510
to and he said one of them even sounded

1178
01:00:37,740 --> 01:00:36,310
like like healed him and

1179
01:00:40,890 --> 01:00:37,750
said there was another place on there he

1180
01:00:43,110 --> 01:00:40,900
says I think you can hear a fainter John

1181
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:43,120
keel and a lot of times when we'd get

1182
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:45,910
this John keel or other things they

1183
01:00:50,940 --> 01:00:48,000
would be like doing it several times

1184
01:00:53,310 --> 01:00:50,950
within a short timeframe it's like they

1185
01:00:57,230 --> 01:00:53,320
you know they have a hard time breaking

1186
01:01:01,230 --> 01:00:57,240
through whatever their process is and

1187
01:01:04,770 --> 01:01:01,240
they call dates it's called a spirit in

1188
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:04,780
can I believe yes haha that's I guess

1189
01:01:07,950 --> 01:01:06,370
that's what he was telling me that time

1190
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:07,960
when he was frustrated with computers

1191
01:01:10,590 --> 01:01:09,250
and he said I just like to go back to

1192
01:01:15,690 --> 01:01:10,600
the time you know said we was little

1193
01:01:18,540 --> 01:01:15,700
boys and grants string he hated the

1194
01:01:20,790 --> 01:01:18,550
computer well you know what one of the

1195
01:01:23,730 --> 01:01:20,800
individuals that I think we are both

1196
01:01:25,530 --> 01:01:23,740
impressed with is a lady who is now

1197
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:25,540
unfortunately deceased by the name

1198
01:01:32,460 --> 01:01:30,010
Estelle in Lansing in fact in this book

1199
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:32,470
that Tim was saying was getting to be

1200
01:01:38,610 --> 01:01:35,770
the size of auspey incredible encounters

1201
01:01:43,770 --> 01:01:38,620
which we shall have out very shortly I

1202
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:43,780
believe is the story of Estella Lansing

1203
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:47,110
who had the amazing ability unlike a few

1204
01:01:51,420 --> 01:01:48,880
people like Marc Brinkerhoff said we've

1205
01:01:54,690 --> 01:01:51,430
had on our program recently can go out

1206
01:01:58,140 --> 01:01:54,700
with a camera and and take pictures of

1207
01:02:00,660 --> 01:01:58,150
the sky and in weird things start to

1208
01:02:02,910 --> 01:02:00,670
happen sometimes they're they're visible

1209
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:02,920
to the the individual which we would

1210
01:02:06,810 --> 01:02:05,110
call a UFO repeat or at least the that's

1211
01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:06,820
the term that we use and sometimes

1212
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:08,710
they're not why don't you tell us a

1213
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:12,370
little bit about Stella who I actually

1214
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:15,490
claimed to have discovered she came up

1215
01:02:21,450 --> 01:02:18,400
to me and the I guess it was the early

1216
01:02:23,310 --> 01:02:21,460
70s and Manhattan and one of these dusty

1217
01:02:25,500 --> 01:02:23,320
old hotels would you mostly used to have

1218
01:02:30,570 --> 01:02:25,510
his monthly meetings and said she had

1219
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:30,580
these weird 8 millimeter film that she

1220
01:02:36,540 --> 01:02:33,370
had taken and Jim kind of brushed her

1221
01:02:38,220 --> 01:02:36,550
off he wasn't he wasn't an ETH person

1222
01:02:40,350 --> 01:02:38,230
but he wasn't too much of a psychic

1223
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:40,360
stuff in fact after knowing Jim all

1224
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:42,160
these years I'm still not sure what he

1225
01:02:48,180 --> 01:02:45,250
believed in or whatever but that's what

1226
01:02:50,220 --> 01:02:48,190
made Jim Mosley a Jim Mosley but finally

1227
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:50,230
I convinced him that she should

1228
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:53,170
here and give her talking presentation

1229
01:02:57,839 --> 01:02:54,970
and that probably was the first time

1230
01:02:59,130 --> 01:02:57,849
that she spoke but don't let me take the

1231
01:03:00,240 --> 01:02:59,140
words out of your mouth tell us a little

1232
01:03:03,870 --> 01:03:00,250
bit about yourself

1233
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:03,880
well she was very nice lady and very

1234
01:03:09,150 --> 01:03:07,359
patient I mean me and a friend Jim

1235
01:03:14,490 --> 01:03:09,160
Carrey came down from Maine and she

1236
01:03:16,260 --> 01:03:14,500
lived in down in Massachusetts I think

1237
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:16,270
right yeah that Neptune far from Betty

1238
01:03:21,540 --> 01:03:16,720
Hill

1239
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:21,550
yeah probably about 30 40 miles so yeah

1240
01:03:26,819 --> 01:03:24,400
and I used to visit Betty hill quite a

1241
01:03:31,530 --> 01:03:26,829
bit too I was only about 100 miles from

1242
01:03:34,140 --> 01:03:31,540
from from Betty Hill but we'd go there

1243
01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:34,150
and spend the night and she would also

1244
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:39,089
show us lots and lots of footage and I

1245
01:03:44,550 --> 01:03:41,890
had you know met people who had had some

1246
01:03:46,770 --> 01:03:44,560
pretty pretty remarkable experiences I

1247
01:03:49,230 --> 01:03:46,780
gathered you know I remember a steve

1248
01:03:51,510 --> 01:03:49,240
putnam had been investigating her

1249
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:51,520
stories and he showed me some some

1250
01:03:56,940 --> 01:03:53,530
drawings somebody had done these were

1251
01:03:59,880 --> 01:03:56,950
kind of like visionary things this these

1252
01:04:01,829 --> 01:03:59,890
unusual patterns geometric type things

1253
01:04:04,980 --> 01:04:01,839
looked like a cross or something like

1254
01:04:09,690 --> 01:04:04,990
that that appeared over a a lake that

1255
01:04:13,050 --> 01:04:09,700
was right there by her home and of

1256
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:13,060
course dr. schwartz he was became a he

1257
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:15,730
wrote a lot about stella Lansing and her

1258
01:04:22,589 --> 01:04:20,770
pitchers and he would actually go there

1259
01:04:24,300 --> 01:04:22,599
and do some sky watching with her and I

1260
01:04:26,730 --> 01:04:24,310
think one of the first times he went he

1261
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:26,740
was very impressed because they had gone

1262
01:04:34,849 --> 01:04:32,079
out to this site and yes I recall it was

1263
01:04:38,250 --> 01:04:34,859
two big lights that he actually took

1264
01:04:43,230 --> 01:04:38,260
video super 8 millimeter at that time

1265
01:04:44,849 --> 01:04:43,240
footage of and there was a large dark

1266
01:04:48,270 --> 01:04:44,859
car that suddenly appeared and started

1267
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:48,280
flashing its lights at the the object

1268
01:04:51,730 --> 01:04:49,839
which they were surprised when this

1269
01:04:58,440 --> 01:04:51,740
suddenly appeared

1270
01:05:01,990 --> 01:04:58,450
out of the darkness there and anyway I

1271
01:05:05,290 --> 01:05:02,000
know I went down a couple of times to

1272
01:05:10,089 --> 01:05:05,300
her home and one time got back was very

1273
01:05:13,299 --> 01:05:10,099
early in the morning and I had an odd

1274
01:05:15,309 --> 01:05:13,309
who lived down I lived up on Hill and

1275
01:05:17,740 --> 01:05:15,319
down there's close to the bottom that

1276
01:05:21,250 --> 01:05:17,750
was she had said it was either that

1277
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:21,260
night or the following night that I came

1278
01:05:27,940 --> 01:05:24,250
back from this trip that she had seen a

1279
01:05:29,710 --> 01:05:27,950
ring of lights flying by she had gotten

1280
01:05:32,589 --> 01:05:29,720
up to go to the bathroom and looked out

1281
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:32,599
the window and saw this ring of lights a

1282
01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:37,250
ring within a ring completely silent

1283
01:05:42,210 --> 01:05:40,160
very unusual and I immediately thought

1284
01:05:46,319 --> 01:05:42,220
of the clockwork images you know that

1285
01:05:52,839 --> 01:05:50,260
she also caught faces of people that

1286
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:52,849
weren't there but the weird thing was is

1287
01:05:57,549 --> 01:05:55,280
that it was an eight millimeter silent

1288
01:06:00,700 --> 01:05:57,559
camera but when they transferred it over

1289
01:06:02,609 --> 01:06:00,710
to video there was audio on it am I

1290
01:06:06,460 --> 01:06:02,619
correct in saying is saying that I

1291
01:06:11,170 --> 01:06:06,470
remember on the sightings show that the

1292
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:11,180
in fact in fact okay that is on if you

1293
01:06:16,270 --> 01:06:14,569
go to mr. UFO secret files which is our

1294
01:06:19,089 --> 01:06:16,280
youtube-channel mystery awful secret

1295
01:06:21,460 --> 01:06:19,099
files and do a search the little

1296
01:06:23,799 --> 01:06:21,470
magnifying glass there type in Stella

1297
01:06:27,970 --> 01:06:23,809
Lansing you will find that 10 minute

1298
01:06:31,089 --> 01:06:27,980
presentation from unexplained mysteries

1299
01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:31,099
or in search of or whatever the the show

1300
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:33,920
my goodness that it was a that it was on

1301
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:36,770
and it's got all the information on cell

1302
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:39,410
Lansing pretty much compacted in there

1303
01:06:43,150 --> 01:06:41,210
until you can get your hands on

1304
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:43,160
incredible encounters which is coming up

1305
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:45,650
very shortly but she was a remarkable

1306
01:06:50,650 --> 01:06:47,839
and you know that's what that's one

1307
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:50,660
things that that always made me

1308
01:06:55,170 --> 01:06:53,599
appreciate your research Brent you know

1309
01:06:57,250 --> 01:06:55,180
you did on the edge of reality

1310
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:57,260
Dreamweavers the masters of time and

1311
01:07:01,420 --> 01:06:58,640
space which we published and is

1312
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:01,430
available on Amazon and you have

1313
01:07:05,380 --> 01:07:03,530
interviewed some of the most incredible

1314
01:07:07,690 --> 01:07:05,390
people who who else

1315
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:07,700
Estela Lansing in John keel would you

1316
01:07:16,510 --> 01:07:09,650
say was right up there at the top of

1317
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:16,520
your list Wow I there's just been a lot

1318
01:07:24,910 --> 01:07:21,410
of a lot of interesting people you know

1319
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:24,920
I it's it's hard to say I there's been

1320
01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:27,890
quite a few I you know I will say though

1321
01:07:34,570 --> 01:07:30,310
that with the Stella thing you know and

1322
01:07:36,310 --> 01:07:34,580
you know not not to detract from all the

1323
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:36,320
other work that she strived to do she

1324
01:07:41,230 --> 01:07:39,130
was very wonderful lady and dr. Schwartz

1325
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:41,240
presented a lot of great material on her

1326
01:07:48,220 --> 01:07:44,530
but the clockwork images I got clockwork

1327
01:07:51,730 --> 01:07:48,230
myself back in around 1975 got several

1328
01:07:54,700 --> 01:07:51,740
samples a bit and and I contacted Kodak

1329
01:07:56,170 --> 01:07:54,710
and and we went round and round about it

1330
01:07:59,200 --> 01:07:56,180
with different technicians and finally

1331
01:08:01,090 --> 01:07:59,210
one technician gave me an explanation

1332
01:08:03,730 --> 01:08:01,100
that really seemed to fit because I

1333
01:08:06,610 --> 01:08:03,740
could take my own images it was usually

1334
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:06,620
at the end of the 50-foot reel and he

1335
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:08,330
said what it was is they use this rivet

1336
01:08:12,070 --> 01:08:10,640
thing and they would snap them together

1337
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and they would run it through

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development fluid all these different

1339
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50-foot lengths of films and for

1340
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development and so they attached one on

1341
01:08:26,710 --> 01:08:25,070
to the other and I noticed when I looked

1342
01:08:30,310 --> 01:08:26,720
at it you know and I put it under light

1343
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and and and they always you know perplex

1344
01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:32,270
the photographers and and and all

1345
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:37,480
because they overlapped frames and and

1346
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:40,880
what it was is on one side of the the

1347
01:08:46,270 --> 01:08:42,890
film you would see these it would be

1348
01:08:47,770 --> 01:08:46,280
impressed into the the film itself the

1349
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:47,780
plastic and on the other side you

1350
01:08:54,340 --> 01:08:49,520
wouldn't see it so I figured okay so

1351
01:08:55,950 --> 01:08:54,350
it's it it's pressed in there and you

1352
01:09:00,130 --> 01:08:55,960
don't see it on the other side because

1353
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:00,140
you know it's attached to the other with

1354
01:09:04,500 --> 01:09:02,330
perhaps another rivet on the following

1355
01:09:06,850 --> 01:09:04,510
side to call them rivets and

1356
01:09:10,510 --> 01:09:06,860
unfortunately they never did send me one

1357
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:10,520
so I couldn't be 100% final necessarily

1358
01:09:15,340 --> 01:09:12,370
on it I know dr. Schwartz kind of

1359
01:09:18,820 --> 01:09:15,350
hovered there but I felt that that

1360
01:09:19,540 --> 01:09:18,830
probably explained explained that part

1361
01:09:23,270 --> 01:09:19,550
of

1362
01:09:24,530 --> 01:09:23,280
well we are closing in on the I was

1363
01:09:27,620 --> 01:09:24,540
going to say midnight hour but not

1364
01:09:29,570 --> 01:09:27,630
exactly midnight that Tim you have a few

1365
01:09:31,099 --> 01:09:29,580
words here at the the end of the show

1366
01:09:33,500 --> 01:09:31,109
well yes

1367
01:09:34,730 --> 01:09:33,510
Brett like to thank you for being on her

1368
01:09:37,010 --> 01:09:34,740
show and I want to give you the

1369
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:37,020
opportunity to have you let our audience

1370
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:40,080
know where they can find your book your

1371
01:09:45,980 --> 01:09:42,330
your website your magazine anything else

1372
01:09:49,010 --> 01:09:45,990
you want people to know well the the

1373
01:09:53,660 --> 01:09:49,020
book is on Amazon it came out July 14th

1374
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:53,670
and and I should add to that rosemary

1375
01:09:58,700 --> 01:09:56,880
ellen guiley who was who was a good

1376
01:10:00,740 --> 01:09:58,710
friend of John keel had helped me a

1377
01:10:02,210 --> 01:10:00,750
great deal with this book she wrote the

1378
01:10:06,620 --> 01:10:02,220
foreword and I also did an interview

1379
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:06,630
with her and she went through the entire

1380
01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:10,530
book with me and made lots of

1381
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:13,800
Corrections and and and made suggestions

1382
01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:18,570
and also suggested as I was writing it

1383
01:10:23,230 --> 01:10:20,340
people I should interview as well

1384
01:10:28,220 --> 01:10:23,240
like there was Michael Gross oh and

1385
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:28,230
Kiehl's literary agent Sandra Martin and

1386
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:31,530
all these people contributed a lot a lot

1387
01:10:37,370 --> 01:10:34,170
more information to the whole keel story

1388
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:37,380
and anyways a magazine the monthly

1389
01:10:43,610 --> 01:10:40,400
magazine I put out online is that AP

1390
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:43,620
magazine info and its alternate

1391
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:45,810
perceptions not alternative perceptions

1392
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:50,970
but I get that a lot gotta read John a

1393
01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:53,280
keel demand the myths and the ongoing

1394
01:10:57,440 --> 01:10:55,260
mysteries and subscribe to that

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01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:22,940
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